Archive for April, 2009

LC #23: Your Questions

Posted by Erik On April - 29 - 2009

lostchatter_itunesWhat do we think of season five so far? Why all the Ewok hatred? Will Lost finish like Alias did? Could the Swan and Orchid stations work in conjunction with one another? What can we expect from the season finale? We answer all these and more in our first "listener feedback" episode.


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From the Vault

Posted by Erik On April - 28 - 2009

For those who don't know, RandomChatter podcasts have been around for a long time. We've been podcasting since early 2005.

Some of you wanted to see what our older episodes were like. Against my better judgment, I'm posting a selection of our archived shows.

First, here's a brief history...

The very first RandomChatter podcasts were in early 2005. I did three episodes. No, I'm not posting them. They sucked.

Then I started podcasting for TheForce.Net. I'm not posting those here out of respect for TFN, since they don't technically belong to me (though I don't think they'd mind). Trust me, even though I won an award, the stuff the ForceCast is currently doing is way better.

While I was doing the TFN show, I eventually went back to doing RandomChatter. I eventually had to give up TFN, because I didn't have the time nor staff to keep up with the show. I just stuck with RandomChatter, which was easier to do as one person. This was "volume one".

I thought we needed to change the name to something that more accurately reflected the "movies" theme of our show, so I chose the (bad) name "Movie Survival Guide."

About that time, my job was pretty taxing, and all of the employees were being overworked. I eventually threw in the towel and stopped podcasting, because there was no way I could continue putting out decent shows with my work schedule.

I picked it up again later on in 2006, going back to the RandomChatter name (volume two). About the time I did, my apartment caught fired and burned down, and then two months later I lost my job. So the show went back on hiatus again.

Now we're back again with volume three of RandomChatter. I've spun the movie reviews off into their own series, MovieChatter. And, of course, we now have LostChatter, TechChatter, and Friendly Fire.

...on to the episodes...

I've skipped the really, really bad ones. I've put my favorites in bold and preceded them with an asterisk.

Keep in mind that the audio quality is often pretty bad, and that the solo shows are scripted. Otherwise, there are some gems in there. My personal favorites are Ultraviolet, Dukes of Hazzard, Deuce Bigalow, The Island, Fantastic Four, and Firewall.


RandomChatter (Volume 1)

  • *Batman Begins (Erik, Brian, Jeff) — RC_050619
  • War of the Worlds (Erik) — RC_050704
  • *Fantastic Four (Erik, Brian) — RC_050710
  • Charlie and the Chocolate Factory [preview]; Wedding Crashers [preview] (Erik, Brian) — RC_050714mc
  • Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Erik, Jeff) — RC_050719
  • *The Island (Erik, Brian, Jeff) — RC_050725
  • Sky High; Hitch (Erik, Brian) — RC_050801
  • Hitch (Brian) — RC_050803mc
  • *Dukes of Hazzard (Erik, Brian) — RC_050807
  • *Deuce Bigalow 2: European Gigilo; Four Brothers (Erik, Brian) — RC_050814

Movie Survival Guide

(a.k.a. RandomChatter Volumes 2 & 3)


RandomChatter (Volume 4 — summer of 2006))

  • *Ultraviolet (Erik, Brian, Jeff) — RC4_001
  • Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest (Erik, Ren) — RC4_002
  • Comic book movies (Erik, Ren) — RC4_004
  • *Miami Vice (Erik, Brian) — RC4_005
  • V for Vendetta (Erik, Brian, Jeff) — RC4_006
  • Snakes on a Plane (Erik, Ren); Talledega Nights (Brian) — RC4_007

RandomChatter (Volume 3 — current series)

  • Cloverfield — RC_001
  • Spoiler-Free, for Wes — RC_002
  • Jumper — RC_003
  • And the award goes to... who cares? — RC_004
  • A Cage Full of Tangents — RC_005

(see the blog and/or iTunes feed for more of the current series)


LostChatter

We went in a different direction with LostChatter than we'd initially planned, so I had taken the first five episodes down. Here they are...

  • The Beginning of the End (Erik, Jeff) — LC_001
  • Confirmed Dead (Erik, Jeff) — LC_002
  • The Economist (Erik, Jeff, Ren) — LC_003
  • Time after Time (Erik, Ren) — LC_004
  • Bring Out Your Dead (Erik, Ren, Joe) — LC_005

FF #2: Location, Location, Location

Posted by Erik On April - 28 - 2009

Friendly FireIt's all about location. Where you stand, where you push, and where you hold your ground. This week we'll discuss it on Friendly Fire.


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TC #31: Tomatoes

Posted by Erik On April - 28 - 2009

TechChatterThis week on the show: Here before Oprah, but not before Erik, raising prices lowers sales and Tomato routers. I'm going to get my Dog.


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J.J. Abrams Explains Why Spoilers Are O.K. (sort of)

Posted by Erik On April - 22 - 2009

Okay, I cheated with the title of this post. I know this isn't Abrams' intention. And I know there's a certain irony to taking his words out of context when those very words are about things being taken out of context.

Still, I couldn't resist.

From Wired's article J.J. Abrams on the Magic of Mystery:

People often ask me how Lost is going to end. I usually tell them to ask Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, who run that series. But I always wonder, do they really want to know? And what if I did tell them? They might have an aha moment, but without context. Especially since the final episode is a year away. That is to say, the experience—the setup for a joke's punch line, the buildup to a magic trick's big flourish—is as much of a thrill as the result. There's discovery to be made and wonder to be had on the journey that not only enrich the ending but in many ways define it.

If you merely skimmed that paragraph, go back and re-read it.

Obviously, Abrams does not condone spoilers. He's talking about how the story is about the journey, not just the destination. And he's right. Yet I'm going to take part of what he's saying, twist it around to defend spoilers, then explain why I think spoilers are wrong, then talk about why I read them anyway. And probably not in that order.

Confused? Well, just remember "it's about the journey." So journey on...

It's About the Journey

Abrams was pointing out that spoilers don't give you the full experience of the story. They actually rob you of most of the experience — arguably, the best part of the experience. For example, there's more going on in Sixth Sense than just the plot twist. And as Ned pointed out in RandomChatter #35, you know how Shakespeare plays will end, yet you still go see the plays — because it's about the journey. It's about how the play is done.

That is, if you're a Shakespeare fan. I'm not, but that's a discussion for another time.

But if Abrams' point is true, then perhaps spoilers aren't as bad as people are saying, right? I mean, a certain person left Lost at the end of the third season, and I had that spoiled, but wouldn't you say that it didn't really spoil much? That the story leading up to that was really what it's all about?

We're all gonna die, but the journey along the way is what makes life worth living. If the writer/producer/whoever makes the journey enjoyable enough, is the destination really that important?

Why I Read Spoilers

Why do I read spoilers? I don't honestly know. On the surface, I'd say it's because I'm impatient. Or curious. Or have no self-control.

But I think it goes beyond that. There are two different circumstances in which I read spoilers. First is if I want to know whether I want to spend my money and/or time watching a film (or sometimes a television series). The other is if I'm so completely addicted to a world created in a piece of fiction that I can't stand being away from it.

Reading spoilers have saved me from many, many movies that would have infuriated me to watch. City of Angels, for example. Or, better yet, Battlefield Earth. And they've saved me from countless television series. However, I'm sure I would have enjoyed Serenity better had I not heard who was going to die. And I probably would have enjoyed The Fountain a bit more.

I guess I can sum it up best by saying I read movie spoilers to best get an idea of whether I should watch the film, and I get television spoilers (at least, for shows I enjoy) because I can't stand the wait between seasons.

I'm Very Selective

Contrary to popular belief, I don't just read every spoiler that comes across my news feeds. I'm selective.

For movies, I want very basic stuff. What the premise is, how certain elements are handled, etc.

See, I love plot twists. My favorite movies are those whose endings I can't see coming (rare finds). If I were to get spoilers for everything, I'd bore myself out of a hobby. So I actively avoid anything that spoils the end of a movie. For me, it's about both the journey and the destination.

Sure, there are exceptions. If a movie I wanted to see is doing abysmally in its reviews, and if those reviews are by people whose opinions I normally agree with, I may try to find out a bit more about the movie, even if it means more significant spoilers. And 95% of the time, I've found that to be beneficial.

For television, it's not much different. I want to know basically what's going on. For example, I wanted to know that the Lost episode "The Constant" was about Desmond, and I wanted to know the basics of what it was covering (what was happening to him mentally). I didn't want to know how it ended.

A Better Way to Explain It...

My mom used to make brownies and/or cakes when I was a kid. The picture on the box was much like the press release. Looking at it come out of the oven was much like the teaser commercial for next week's episode.

Licking the spoon from the bowl, or the beaters from the mixer, was like the spoilers I get. I wanted more than just a picture or the smell from the cooling brownies. I wanted a taste.

But only a small taste. Eat too much of the batter, and you won't be hungry anymore. Worse yet, it'll make you sick, and then you won't want the brownies at all. It's only about getting a taste to hold you over until the brownies are ready.

Thats how I handle my spoilers.

Back to the Journey

More from Abrams:

In my profession, this mentality is illustrated by the spoiler: that piece of information meant to be kept secret, like the end of a movie or TV show or novel. Spoilers give fans the answers they want, the resolution they crave. As an avid fan of movies and TV myself, I completely understand the desire to find out behind-the-scenes details in a nanosecond... But the real damage isn't so much that the secret gets out. It's that the experience is destroyed. The illusion is diminished. Which may not matter to some. But then what's the point of actually seeing that movie or episode?

How does knowing the twist before you walk into the theater—or what that island is really about before you watch the finale—make for a richer viewing experience? It's telling that the very term itself—spoiler—has become synonymous with "cool info you can get before the other guy." What no one remembers is that it literally means "to damage irreparably; to ruin." Spoilers make no bones about destroying the intended experience—and somehow that has become, for many, the preferred choice.

For the record, as I hope I explained above, it's not my preferred choice. I'm far more selective than people realize, and I'm very in-tune with what ruins something for me. I'm very careful not to cross that line, and I'm usually very successful.

So as Abrams points out, spoilers are a double-whammy — not only does one rob themselves of the plot surprise, they ruin the journey itself. If you know the ending of a book, why bother reading it? Knowing the ending makes the journey uninteresting.

At least, it usually does. I'll concede Abrams' point as being accurate more often than not, but let's not forget the Shakespeare effect. And let's not forget that some movies and/or television series are enjoyed by many people on multiple viewings (I stopped counting how often I'd watched the entire Babylon 5 series on the twelfth viewing).

Sometimes the journey is enough.

About that RandomChatter Episode...

One last quote from Abrams:

In some cases, spoilers don't just prevent the intended experience of something, they prevent the very existence of it. Case in point: I had spent close to two years working on a version of a Superman script for Warner Bros. Then an early draft was leaked, reviewed, and spectacularly decimated on a Web site that I still adore and read daily. It wasn't just that the review was bad. Which it was. I mean, like, kraptastically bad. And probably deserved (I'm the idiot who made Lex Luthor a Kryptonian). What was so depressing wasn't just that the thing being reviewed was an old version of a work in progress. What killed me was that the reviewer—and then readers of that reviewer—weren't just judging my writing. They were judging the movie. A movie that was barely in preproduction and many drafts away from final. A film that ultimately never got made—in small part because that review, and subsequent posts, made studio decisionmakers nervous. The fact is, that Superman film might have been awful. Or it could have been something else. We'll never know.

If I understood their points correctly, Brian and Ned thought it arrogant of a writer, producer, or studio to scrap a project and rewrite it if it's spoiled.

I still don't understand that. No, I don't think it's necessary. Yes, I know it'll get leaked again (though usually full leaks are much closer to release dates). But I think it's their prerogative to make that decision, and I don't think it makes them arrogant.

I was looking into "Fair Use" the other day for something unrelated to this post, and I found an interesting sentence about how authors are protected in how their material is first released to the public. I think that very concept is why these rewrites don't bother me.

But I digress...

Wrapping Up

Wow. Been a while since I've typed something this lengthy.

For those wondering why I sound wishy-washy — or perhaps even hypocritical — regarding my personal pursuit of spoilers or my feelings on it in general and on how it affects the fandom community, I hope this clears some things up.

For me personally, I know the line between getting a better taste of something and having it ruin my appetite entirely. It's a fine line, but I'm quite in-touch with it.

Generally speaking, I don't recommend people read spoilers. I've considered doing spoiler episodes of LostChatter, and I keep deciding against it. That may change in the future, but I doubt it. I'd keep it within my own guidelines of just giving a taste of things rather than things like finale endings, but I'm still on the fence about any contribution I'd be making toward that culture. I've been on both sides of the fence before, and I'm constantly rethinking my stance.

Regardless, J.J. Abrams makes some great points in the Wired article (none of which actually support my post title), and I highly recommend you read it.

RC #35: Pushing Buttons

Posted by Erik On April - 22 - 2009

RandomChatterBrian gets his buttons pushed, and then later in the episode he pushes back at Erik. Ned, in the meantime, just sits in the background instigating both sides. Ned: 1. Brian: 0. Erik: 0.

After discussing some television, including the now-infamous "missing" Dollhouse episode, the three of us talk about some of the recent movie rewrites resulting from scripts being leaked online. Are the writers/studios handling the issue appropriately, or are they being arrogant buttheads?

And finally, in Ned's rant this week, we discuss 10-year-olds' support of homosexuals coming out.

We look forward to your comments upon this episode. :)


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FF #1: The Vertical Game

Posted by Erik On April - 21 - 2009

Friendly FireFriendly Fire Podcast #1: The Vertical Game. Mint, Sigma and Highstepper talk about how to make TF2 a true three dimensional game. How jumps, perches and high ground can take your game to the next level. (See what I did there?)


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MC #47: Observe and Report

Posted by Erik On April - 21 - 2009

MovieChatterAndrew and Morgan discuss Observe and Report (which I personally thought was awesome), and they also cover a bunch of other stuff in this jam-packed episode, including...

Bones, Breaking Bad, Funny Games (remake), Candyman, Hostel, Zombie Strippers, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pitch Black, Atonement, Boiler Room, Winter Passing, No Country For Old Men, Beautiful Girls, 12 Angry Men, Before The Devil Knows You're Dead, Duplicity, Fast & Furious, The Wrestler, and Network.

Sure, it's a long episode, but with a line-up like that, it's worth it!


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LC #22: Ewoks Suck, Dude

Posted by Erik On April - 20 - 2009

lostchatter_itunesMuch more of the island is opened up to us this week (at least, geographically). In what seems to be yet another "transition" episode, we get to follow Miles and Hurley as they visit previously unseen island locations, and we learn a little bit more about what may be a third group vying for power on the island.


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LC #21: Draining the Puddle

Posted by Erik On April - 16 - 2009

lostchatter_itunesWe're a bit late posting the episode this week, but it's worth the wait.

Nathan didn't care much for "Dead is Dead," though Joe & Erik both loved it. Join us as we look at Egyptian doodles, deceits, death, donkey wheels, and puddle drainage.


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RQRM #5: Year One

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RQRM #4: The Final Destination

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RQRM #3: Surrogates

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RQRM #2: The Informant

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RQRM #1: Fame

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